Bull Nose on a Brick Nose?

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Bull Nose on a Brick Nose?

Postby OrthmannJ » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:12 pm

OK, I usually refer to rigs by their year, but I hope the title of this thread gets the point across.

I may be coming into a 1990 F-350 diesel 4X4 crew cab.

Although I absolutely do not need another truck, I would never look a gift-horse in the mouth.
If I were to actually receive this truck, It would be something I would need to hold onto for a while (ie not flip immediately)

So, this brings me to my question: Can a 80-86 era nose (Bull nose) be installed on a 87-91 era (Brick nose)?

I don't hate the 87-91 front end, but it really is one of my least favorite designs. I really like the 80-86 front end. It's neck and neck between the 80-86 and the 92-97 as far as which I like best.

Since I already have a 96 crew cab, I was thinking it might be fun to have an 86 (in appearance anyway) as well.

I assume the fenders, header, grille etc should all be fairly straight forward. But is the cowl different?

I know that James aka 68Mercury250Ranger built a winter beater a few years ago that took a 96ish Powerstroke chassis cab and changed it to a 86ish Powerstroke by swapping out the newer sheet metal for the older variety. I seem to recall him mentioning the cowl was different and needed to be modified.

If I do end up with this truck, I won't have any cost into aside from transferring title & licencing fees, so I could afford to spend a little money for a swap like this. The truck is in decent shape overall and I'd want to try and match the paint as best I could, but certainly not wanting to make it a show truck.

I'd love to put an aftermarket turbo on it but they are pretty expensive, even for the used ones. So that would likely not happen, at least not for a while.

So, what do you all think?
1969 F-100
1996 F-350 Crew Cab Powerstroke
Previous rigs:
1978 F-250 crew cab
1994 Explorer XLT
1978 Bronco Ranger XLT
1981 F-100 shortbox stepside Ranger XLT
1994 F-150 XLT S/C 4X4
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Re: Bull Nose on a Brick Nose?

Postby nathanial10 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:24 am

Don't do it OrthmanJ. Accept it for what it is. Or flip it and buy an 86 F350 4x4. It's way more involved than going form a 77 to 78 grill. Changing over is not easy you will need an entire front clip including a radiator core support, or the hood won't latch. Also you will need to either change the bed or cut out the rear fender so it'll match the front wheel opening. There's a lot of stuff bolted to the inner fender on the Diesel trucks that won't line up with an 80's fender. The 7.3 is much bigger and wider than a 460. The frames and cowl's from the two trucks also differ slightly so nothing will line up, they will need some fettling. It can be done, and I've seen it done, but they were on gas motor truck that have a lot less stuff to mess around with.

Although if you need a turbo however, I got a Banks Sidewinder wastegatted turbo and motor I took out of my 91 F350 4x4. Both motor and turbo has less than 100k and doesn't leak, a rarity for an IDI 7.3. If you run the turbo you will need a free flowing exhaust.
1959 F350 4x4 292ci 38's
1966 F250 Crew Cab 4x4 3.9 Cummins Allison 1000 8in 37's
1967 F250 Crew Cab Farm Truck 352 fe
1970 F350 Crew Cab Dually 390ci stroker
1978 Centurian 4x4 5.9 12v Cummins Allison 1000 8in 38's
1979 F150 Supercab Short Bed 302ci AOD
1985 Bronco 300 ci
1991 F350 Crew Cab 4x4 5.9 Cummins 24v twin turbo Allison 1000 4in lift 35's
1994 F150 Flareside 300 ci Mark III
1995 C350 Centurian 4x4 460ci 35's
2000 F350 Crew Cab Dually 4x4 7.3 PowerStroke Banks Power Pack 2in lift 35's
2003 Lightning Shellby tuned Hotchkis suspension.
2005 Excursion 6.0 PowerStroke 6in King Coilovers 37's
2011 F350 Crew Cab Dually 4x4 6.7 PowerStroke Carli lift 37's
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Re: Bull Nose on a Brick Nose?

Postby PACrewCab » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:07 am

I don't know about the particular swap you are asking about but a few years ago I put a 1996 front end on my 1990 F350 dump truck and I used the entire clip from the 1996. No issues with that, just needed a buddy to come help do the swap, since it was one big bulky piece to man handle. I did have to also swap out the cowl panel in front of the windshield and had to do some slight mods to get the newer bumper to bolt up to the older frame and bumper mounts. Other than that, it was a breeze.
I think if you are doing just the front clip, it shouldn't be too bad. The body lines should definitely line up with the rest of the truck. I'm sure you would need to swap the cowl, if they can be unbolted off the Bull nose era trucks. (Does anyone know if the are bolted on or moulded to the cab?) Maybe you could keep and modify the existing newer inner fenders to fit up to the older Bull nose clip, that way, like Nathanial said, you would be able to retain the needed bolted on components and clearance for the diesel.
I guess you would have to see them side by side, take a few measurements and make the call.
Andy
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Re: Bull Nose on a Brick Nose?

Postby OrthmannJ » Thu Jan 19, 2017 8:45 am

nathanial10 wrote:Don't do it OrthmanJ.

Thanks Nathaniel, I can see you are looking out for my best interest. :D

It isn't a sure thing that I'll even obtain this particular rig. Like I said before, If I do get it, it would certainly be a bad idea to sell it immediately.

I could live with it the way it is, but the idea of changing it around if I do get it is definitely intriguing.
I am sure it would require some work and wouldn't be a simple remove and replace deal. But seeing as how these trucks are basically the same 80-97 in overall appearance aside from the front end I figured it would be doable.
I know the fender wheel openings would be different on the 80's front clip versus the 90's bed. I think I could live with that.

If I were to tackle a job like this I would want to do like PA did and get a complete front clip, so I would have everything I would need.

I don't know. It's just something I have been pondering recently since this opportunity has surfaced.
1969 F-100
1996 F-350 Crew Cab Powerstroke
Previous rigs:
1978 F-250 crew cab
1994 Explorer XLT
1978 Bronco Ranger XLT
1981 F-100 shortbox stepside Ranger XLT
1994 F-150 XLT S/C 4X4
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Re: Bull Nose on a Brick Nose?

Postby PACrewCab » Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:30 am

I got very lucky that the guy who sold me the front clip, actually let me take the entire truck home with me, use everything I needed off of it, and then bring the rest of the truck back to him when I was finished. That made it very helpful in looking at the differences and obtaining a few small things that I would have overlooked otherwise.
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